# Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization \[v3\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Governance & Proposals\ **Created:** [November 21, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization-v3/48321 "2022-11-21T20:19:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 28
**Author:** ![AlephA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/terra/user_avatar/classic-agora.terra.money/alepha/32/19471_2.png) [@AlephA](https://classic-agora.terra.money/u/AlephA)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization-v3/48321/28 "2022-11-22T17:22:11Z")
**Hello everyone. How are you dear community.** I would like to give my last detailed opinion on this proposal. Since the more time passes, the more evident is the false of what is proposed here. Let’s begin. **First things first.** First of all, I would like to clarify an important point that has been devalued in the debate. There must be absolute respect for all the different faiths that exist in the community and in the world, each one is the master of his own destiny. The best thing to do is always to look at oneself and correct one’s own mistakes. Nobody is perfect. DIVERSITY ENRICHES THE COMMUNITY. Here the religion that one professes is not a blank check of trust. Rather, each one as a person (whether Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or Taoist, or any other creed) speaks through his actions and words. If a person is sincere, respectful and honest, he will be so, with anyone he has in front of him. He will not change. Both with those with whom he agrees and those with whom he disagrees. The sun shines and gives light to all equally. Thus a serene and sincere heart, gives its benevolence and virtue to everyone who needs it. Without looking at their outward appearance. And here, it seems to be, that many “say” they are trustworthy because of their specific creed, but their deeds and words do not correspond to it. Some examples. Directed towards my comments. You can follow the whole thread of the conversation in the V1 version of this proposal. > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/118): > > The community will vote with their own voices/tokens, and your attempt to think for them and draw false conclusions is nothing but a cheap parlor trick. You’d fit right in as a small-time aparatchik for a repressive ex-USSR regime; you use all the same tricks they did (and still do) to frame narratives and attempt to control consensus > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/166): > > You talk to much trash and have zero arguments against Rabbi’s proposal so you are resorting to flag his comments, try to be less obvious next time because I see through your BS! > > Shalom! Comments from the same “Rabbi” team to other people in the community who expressed differences with what was being proposed: > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/68): > > Wow, cool it down with your anti-Semitism. Rabbi is giving away a gift for everybody, a truly catalyst to bring together the community. > > The alexs crew (himself, akujiro, pholuna, and his minions) simply doesn’t have the arguments to refute this proposal, so they are resorting to dirty tactics like questioning the legitimacy of a respectable member of the Jewish community. This is simply unacceptable. > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/59): > > Seems a bit antisemitic of you to have a “zillion” reasons, then cherry pick a single one that has already been addressed if you carefully read the proposal. > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/146): > > This is the most antisemitic, racist, ignorant post on this thread. You openly admit you didn’t even read it, and are voting no just to spite someone because of their faith. Of course throwing into question their faith entirely was especially a classless touch. This is criminal. > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/155): > > I was going to answer your question(s) in-depth, but since you’re so condescending and rude I think I’ll just ignore you. Have fun shouting into the ether, hehe… > > Shalom! 🙏 If you think about these comments, they are in the same way, “unacceptable” for the harmony and benefit of the community. This speaks more to who is saying it (a reflection of each person’s own self), rather than who is being referred to in an offensive or derisive manner. * * * **The renown of teams or individuals is used to achieve their own desired objectives, to the detriment of the community.** Beyond the above that makes the integrity of people who claim to be but in their actions and words do not seem to fit in that sense, my vote for this proposal, CHANGED FROM NO to NO WITH VETO. The reason for this is detailed below. ![Captura de Pantalla 2022-11-22 a la(s) 10.15.33](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/terra/original/3X/c/b/cb4cdd3d1987a844424717a223b309265764d62b.png) This proposal not only does not lead to any benefit to the community, but the authors of this proposal demonstrate day by day a total lack of coherence and bad faith (unfortunately). They are trying to DRAG THE COMMUNITY BY RESORTING TO USING RECOGNIZED PEOPLE AND TEAMS (in order for the proposal to be validated), but who have clearly said they do not want to be in this proposal. They have only focused on their own goals, without listening to anyone in the community (not even those they claim to favor like TR and Alex). They resort to misleading “positive” comments that come from the same team or from “very new” accounts that days or hours ago have been registered in the Agora (as I demonstrate below). ![Captura de Pantalla 2022-11-20 a la(s) 13.05.53](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/terra/original/3X/6/e/6e234d53b67e68e893d9e803155386e74bd37bb8.png) ![Captura de Pantalla 2022-11-20 a la(s) 13.06.04](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/terra/original/3X/3/2/327eb834640b6aeaded2538761e221349603d787.png) ![Captura de Pantalla 2022-11-20 a la(s) 13.07.49](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/terra/original/3X/8/e/8e488ed624e5a3ca46e8974eb170baa8d7d0e9d2.png) ![Captura de Pantalla 2022-11-20 a la(s) 13.08.39](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/terra/original/3X/2/b/2b643cc6441c43ab39017826477953166067dd0b.png) ![Captura de Pantalla 2022-11-20 a la(s) 13.12.12](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/terra/original/3X/d/1/d1bfe8327372f004bc49ff311ecdaae6b579b8fa.png) ![Captura de Pantalla 2022-11-20 a la(s) 13.12.24](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/terra/original/3X/8/9/896cabc9a57074759dbf8c487a05a6b787a367d0.png) The authors of this proposal turned a deaf ear to TR’s request, and to other requests made by the community, for more details of the plans and the destination of the funds (in a transparent and verifiable manner). There were, in turn, many empty congratulations (with no reference as to why they support) and presumably from the same proposing team or duplicate accounts. But there is not much real support from community users. As the icing on the cake, there is the issue raised by Alex himself. Who also refuses to receive funds as payment for the past. But this team goes even further. Proposing extortive practices to “get Alex himself out of the way”. I’ll detail it later. Too much, isn’t it? And yet another strawberry. They present a Binance donation wallet (as mentioned by a community user) 🤔 or with very large funds to carry this proposal by itself. 😱 😱 😱. As I said in the beginning, the deeper we go, the more holes we find. This is the “supposed team” of people behind this proposal with their Binance donation wallet or very large!!! > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/1): > > **Note/Addendum - please donate LUNC to help fund this proposal on Terra Station!** > > **Funding wallet address:** _ **terra1ncjg4a59x2pgvqy9qjyqprlj8lrwshm0wleht5** _ > > **Memo (must include!):** _104465193_ > > **Proposal penned and submitted by:** > > Rabbi Jebediah Aaron-David Shekelstein, > > Grand Mohel & President of _Israel’s Septuagenarian Crypto-Enthusiasts Club_ > > **Co-signers:** > > Prof. Levi Goldmann > > Dr. Menacheim Rubin > > Mohel Shlomo Saban > > Yosef “Uli” Bizraeli > > Baruch Kvetcher Sr. > > Moses K. Morgenthau > > Zachariah J. Cohen > > Benjamin Garrison > > Abraham Schnözler > > Ariel David Blum > > Forchin Polowitz > > Omar Lichtenberg > > Kazarya N’Meelkers > > Sarah-Ruth Ann Levi ![Captura de Pantalla 2022-11-22 a la(s) 11.30.49](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/terra/original/3X/7/b/7b33e228f2ae5bf008d914b62a9824bcc7a90bd7.png) A comment about it, from a user in version V1: > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/168): > > Are you guys serious about this lmao? He is asking for funds to be donated **to his Binance wallet** , **he doesn’t even have Terra Station**?? 😂 We continue with what reXxTR and Alex said in the V1 and V2 version respectively. And where they say they don’t want the money for past work. > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/128): > > Please refrain from having these funds tied to Terra Rebels name as these are community funds. **If we wish to obtain any of the funds in question, then we will submit invoices to the community for any core protocol updates the community wishes to have implemented**. This way, there will be no confusion, forceful implementations, and/or redirecting funds. > > If the community wishes to send funds in a form of donation to Terra Rebels, then that will be at the community’s discretion. > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization \[v2\]](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization-v2/48288/33): > > I’m not part of TR - obviously this is a cash grab to line the pockets of the random people left in the TR discord, and zero everyone who contributed in the past. > > But regardless, **none of this money should be for past work** – the past work is the proof of work for who can be counted upon to contribute quality work in the future. So “Rabbi” replies to Alex, that then they will make good use of his money. But in the final V3 of the proposal, Alex still appears as a beneficiary of the 1% (The answer to TR I mentioned in a comment in V1). > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization \[v2\]](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization-v2/48288/34): > > So what you’re saying is you won’t be taking the “finder’s fee” payout? 😂 > > Regardless, thanks for getting the ball rolling on this! **We’ll put the money to good use**. Previously Alex, gave his point of view. > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization \[v2\]](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization-v2/48288/31): > > 1. 30% to the Terra Rebels for **prior** work - **keeping in mind the large # of TR key contributors who contributed that work** (Ed, Marventus, myself, Maxb, Resolvance, Jfromdabay, AxionSempra, others) **who have quit the organization or dissociated**. > > 2. 15% of funds under the direct control of Tobias Andersen … **of which he gets paid a 15% commission on any bounties given**? > > 3. **10% more to … Tobias Andersen** / TR > > 4. 5% to an arbitrary subset of Terra Classic validators > > 5. 4% of the $2.5m ($100k) set aside to “help re-peg LUNC’s AFT” – **currently a $9 billion hole?** > > 6. 3% ($75k) to Edward Kim’s Grants Program > > 7. $50k for legal liability - **lol do you know how much lawyers cost? do you know how much legal liability insurance costs if it’s even available**? > > 8. Nominate a 3-person MS, **including one “core founder” whose “doxxed”** name (Pedro Borges) isn’t his IRL name (as he admitted when confronted on the subject by Lukwon in a ClassyCrypto AMA) > > Sooo … 60% to TR, 30% to community pool, 5% to validators except the ones OP doesn’t like, 3% to Ed’s program, 2% to legal fees. > > **What a pathetic cash-grab**. Go Rebels Again, they mainly use the name TR to validate this nonsense proposal. And at the same time, they also use and denigrate Alex (who even though he has a bad reputation, he still deserves respect as any other human being). And as if that were not enough, they try to extort him, so that he disappears from Terra Classic. Only minds with bad habits and intentions can perform such acts and proposals. They want to extort him and neutralize him: > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/77): > > As for the Alex clause, it’s more about stripping away his platform than anything else, so he can’t misbehave again. He has an undue amount of influence that’s carried over from his TR days. **That needs to be neutralized** , he’s been abusing it for a long time now. They denigrate him: > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization \[v2\]](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization-v2/48288/36): > > So leave then Alex. How much clearer does it need to get that no one wants it here , you dont believe in anything TR is doing at any point so why are you still buzzing around ? Thats right its because youre shorting lunc and you need a platform to spread fud. Just know that you will be liquidated eventually. These extortive practices (which can only come from a heart with bad habits in the use of money), are, in turn, impossible to comply with. Since anyone can have multiple users, or act under the user of someone else who agree in the way of thinking. Alex, you can’t leave, because someone is simply paying you. It is ridiculous and promulgates bad habits in the use of money. It is dishonest money management. And no respect for others. As we see so far it is all about manipulation, refusing to take out TR and Alex and attacking those who think differently. This is not worthy of men and women who claim to honor God. * * * **It was stated to make changes in favor of the community (as a great theater), but in reality, it is in favor of the proposing group.** In proposal V1, the “rabbi” said in a comment of his, that he was going to take into account what “the community” said to improve or complement his original proposal. But instead, he used only a “community tells me” screen, to introduce legal paragraphs (which at no time were requested by the community in any of the comments in the previous versions of this proposal) that do nothing more than further centralize the proposal in a few hands, closing the door to making use of the funds for other proposals that arise in the near future. It says here that it is adding several suggestions that “arise from the community”: > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/142): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it’s customary to have a prop up on Agora for 7 days or so to gather enough community feedback? I think we’re currently (as of writing this) on day 4. > > I’m also adding various community suggestions and feedback into the prop, and will update the original post once everything is ready (alongside removing the LUNC donations wallet before the “final” version goes up on Terra Station). But what actually happened is that legal or additional paragraphs were incorporated that further centralize the proposal and close the availability of funds for a certain period of time that arise from subsequent proposals, “based on the community’s request”. Just as it does by relying on the name of TR, Alex and others to distribute funds, which these same stakeholders denied. But that in V3 remains the same, as if nothing had happened! It seems that this group only looks after its own interests and is not at all interested in what others say. Not even what they themselves claim to benefit. Clearly there are outside interests behind the proposal. > [@RabbiJebediah](#): > > _ **Addendum#2: $4M Multi-Sig Wallet’s Assets Post-Extraction Governance/Voting Lockout Period** _ > > By voting **YES** to this proposal, the voter agrees that if this _current_ proposal passes, then no other one may lay claim over – or be presented with the intent to! – influence the disbursement of these funds for at least 6 months from the day of this proposal passing! None of the money that is distributed, from those who refused, is explicitly directed to the community. That they wrote themselves 🙄. See > [@RabbiJebediah](#): > > If Terra Rebels internally votes to reject these funds (for whatever reason), then the money will be used to purchase LUNC and re-direct it into the community pool for the same purpose as above. But here it says the opposite > [@RabbiJebediah](#): > > _ **Addendum#5: Eight-Week Asset-Distribution Grace Period and Post-Extraction Fund Stewardship** _ > > By voting **YES** to this proposal, the voter agrees to the following: any money which isn’t claimed by its nominee(s) or the community pool within 2 months of the $4M wallet being fully processed (for whatever reason), **is to be deposited in a publicly-viewable bank account** under the auspices/stewardship of the legal firm doing the extraction, and is to remain there until the earliest opportunity it can be sent to its specified destination! So, first it goes towards a direction that, if TR and others refuse, goes through other bureaucratic steps that they themselves manage, to “only then supposedly” go to the community fund. On the other hand, it gives the power to TR (but that this one has rejected it) to choose the lawyers… but… Who are the members of TR, is there a responsible team with name and surname? Duncan? reXxTR? * * * **Final comments** This “proposal” for the benefit of the whole community… has many more holes in it as we have seen. And the story falls further and further apart. It is all a set-up, a fiction, in “pursuit of the community”. But which, in reality, only follows the proponents’ own personal goals. Alex. TR has explicitly rejected this proposal. But his name is still used here. It seems that the signatories of this proposal, " working for the community", refuse to modify something they were clearly told to abstain from. Because without that, the facade falls down, doesn’t it? As I have said before. The truth is pressing to come out. Namaste 😌🙏 * * * I leave you the links to my previous comments, which I give a lot of details regarding this proposal, from its inception. 👇 👇 👇 > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/163): > > The important thing is to analyze each proposal in detail: > > 1. Where the money is going, > 2. Who are the ultimate beneficiaries, > 3. Whether or not the power and money is centralized, > 4. Whether the proposal is clear on what the money allocated to it will be used for and who is responsible for it, 5. > 5. Whether or not those who support certain proposals are real users. Who solidly support their comments in a reflexive way, and sharing with the community their different points of view from their own experience and knowledge. > 6. A simple yes and no, does not contribute anything to the group, and facilitates the appearance of being several accounts, but in reality, may be of the same person. > 7. But above all, DO NOT BELIEVE just for the sake of it. And ask yourself questions. > > **It is essential then, to investigate, analyze, inform oneself, starting with all of the above, and to test the intentions of those who raise proposals to the Agora.** Even more so if we observe that many of those who support or reject such proposals are newcomers to the Agora. > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/109): > > Good morning to everyone around here. I will mark several points why this proposal is a NO. This proposal, which is very detailed in its explanation here, does not do the same in the substantiation of the percentages that are proposed. Therefore, it cannot be put to a vote with a simple Yes or No. There is no detailed rationale for the percentages assigned to each part described. Another point is the centralization of the proposal, similar to that of Alex. It varies in form. And it is less… > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/109): > > Good morning to everyone around here. I will mark several points why this proposal is a NO. This proposal, which is very detailed in its explanation here, does not do the same in the substantiation of the percentages that are proposed. Therefore, it cannot be put to a vote with a simple Yes or No. There is no detailed rationale for the percentages assigned to each part described. Another point is the centralization of the proposal, similar to that of Alex. It varies in form. And it is less… > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/110): > > Many times, in the markets, when funds are managed, they only “state what they are going to do”, but they do not detail how. So that they delegate the power of management and administration to them. And then the “unforeseen” or “unfortunate” things happen. Without “apparent” control by the managers or persons in charge of the management of the funds delegated by the users. Thus, people trust in a future hope, without support. And then FTX and so many others happen. Due to non-transparent practi… > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/112): > > The Vegas proposal referred to in my first comment above is as follows point_up_2 The Vegas proposal referred to in my first comment above is as follows Compare and comment. I support the vote and the power of decision by the community. Not centralization of funds. Less so without any details of how the funds are managed. Just “statements of good intentions”. Nothing that can be reliably verified. Nor any commitment of tasks to be carried out in the future. Just statements. And allocation … > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/121): > > First of all, thank you very much for responding so thoroughly in some aspects. I will just clarify a few points. First of all, THINKING DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AGREEING with what is raised here, does not make me a troll as you mention. It is simply a different stance on the same issue. You seem to take little pleasure in someone else thinking differently. That’s part of everyone. Of how each one takes things in life. Again you say that I use the same tricks as the former USSR. Hahahahahah Wha… > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/127): > > A few more tidbits that came up while reading some of the comments: I share the rationale by a TR member. In which he clearly says that they do not need payment for the work already done. Which has been given for free. On the other hand, it also clarifies that from now on they may require a specific payment to continue with their development and work. Prior to that, it clarifies the following: And also: I also agree with what @reXxTR said: And finally, the icing on the cake of this TR … > [@Distribute the $4M in Off-Chain Community Assets Towards LUNC’s Revitalization](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization/48160/163): > > I do not think it is necessary to know who is behind all this or who the “Rabbi” is. The important thing is to wake up to the light of the facts. And not to get carried away by empty hopes in self-selected individuals or teams. Without any legal accountability or community oversight. As I detail more fully in these comments By simply following the “money trail” of each proposal or project, and who benefits from it, a person can be closer to the truth. Comparing in that process, the f… --- _[View the full topic](https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/distribute-the-4m-in-off-chain-community-assets-towards-lunc-s-revitalization-v3/48321)._