I’m facepalming because you should be mature enough to parse proposals on their own merits. You can disagree with TR and dislike them all you want, that’s not the part I’m contesting. But dismissing proposals entirely on the basis of who submitted them – instead of what’s written inside – is just childish.
Ask me how I know you didn’t even read the proposal. Go ahead, ask me. Go ahead! 
Yes.
It is. And finally, someone who actually read the OP! 
Shalom! 
Interstellar Lounge 
Voted NO with veto. It would appear that this validator has some real issues with your proposal.
Classy’s Sphere 
| 0% Fees voted YES . He started with 0% Fee!
Not Childish, just paranoid after the proposal 10983 debacle
How do you know I didn’t read the proposal? 
It’s two separate proposals that will be up for voting - got it.
I did read it but didn’t digest it properly. I’m still upset over 10983; I voted on trust. Then, when the details were leaked, my trust in the people within terra rebels evaporated hence the paranoia
Encouraging decentralization is a very good thing and I support that !
However, it is necessary to encourage those who have delegate on the biggest validators towards the smallest. Putting everyone at 5% will have little effect because the biggest are for the most part already at 5% or even more… Sorry but i’m against this idea…
Why not base the MCF on the MVP with a dynamic ratio of 1/2?
For example, for a validator with 2% MVP, he will have an MCF of 1% and those with 0.1% will be at 0.05% or 0%, precisely to encourage delegation to them !
Read my replies to Frag and Rexyz in this thread, I answered those points already.
There’s multiple reasons why this isn’t the best idea right now:
You should also keep in mind that a static 5% MCF can be seen as the first step toward dynamic fees if it passes. There’s no reason a dynamic system can’t be built on top of that. But if the 5% prop fails then we’re stuck with 0% for the time being… and that’s a race to the bottom for validators who want to pursue quality service instead of undercutting each other.
Shalom!
If the vote were unitary we would not have these silly conversations that lead to nothing. Blockchains will continue to be centralized
Dear community. It’s been a long time.
I just posted this comment in another proposal from the same author…
But, what I comment, is valid for this proposal as well.
In fact, Rabbi seems to have agreed with it.
This is what I wrote 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Rabbi, how are you! It’s been a long time 
. It seems you have been very busy with your shenanigans. 
I have told you many times my dear Rabbi, You will reap Your Sowing. The Truth will push to come to the Light. 
And this is what is happening. The people who have wanted to deceive the community, and all those who have supported such proposals, are reaping their own sowing. I warned you to go on the right path and to try to sow the good. Otherwise, it would affect you.
Time is scarce… and it is necessary to dedicate it to things that are really important for the community… But I will mention just a few points:
No one can force people to choose their representatives (the validators in this case). If a validator is really doing well, people will want to support him and give them their coins. On the other hand, if the validator is not doing well, people will delegate their coins to another validator.
The security mentioned here as “catastrophic” is not. For the same reason as above. If other minor validators “trust” the infrastructure of another major validator, it is because this validator will have done things right for this to happen. Otherwise, they can each create their own node somewhere else and that’s it. They make a new one, explain what happened to the community that supports it, and they remove the one they have with the AllNodes infrastructure. Simple.
But you and your team want something else. To grow not by merit, but by force and deceit. This is not very consistent with people who claim to follow the designs of God. Isn’t it?
I leave these links of your recent past of other proposals. Where you can clearly see the deceptions, falsehoods, attacks and manipulations towards the community (with a lot of evidence). And here the same is done. Whoever wants to educate himself… Go ahead!
It seems that the version (v4) of Rabbi and his team’s proposal has been deleted. There I had described 13 points in summary of all Rabbi’s shenanigans. Luckily I was able to rescue an important point from that analysis where he exposes the lie and planned deception.
And reXx continues later… but watch carefully what Rabbi says.
reXx™ - Today at 2:04 AM.
That’s up to the community and ultimately the community’s responsibility to obtain those funds. Terra Rebels should not be involved at all, this includes being a multisig key holder as it is a conflict of interest.
Rabbi Jebediah Shekelstein - Today at 2:10 AM
***No proposal nominating non-TR members as potential multisig holders will pass. Ever.***No one in the community trusts Bob Random and Jane Doe to handle $2M+ in the community’s name. It’s just not gonna happen. People even complain about TR handling those funds , let alone some other folks 
who no one knows about (even if they’re doxxed).
That is, Rabbi, and its support team, are proposing the TR people in his proposal (despite their constant rejection) because otherwise, no one would read it. And therefore, it would NOT be approved.
What is intends then, is to appear to support TR (in the present proposal) knowing in advance that they cannot accept such funds. But they continue to do so in order to get the proposal approved and thus get the funds from the community outside of Cadena.
It is clear then, the objective that this type of proposal without details and with multiple inconsistencies pursues. To get the funds regardless of the means used to do so. Wouldn’t this be a real deception towards the community?
Finally, I give you some food for thought and a path.
Rabbi and team:
1. Remember, you ARE FREE, no one is holding you back. YOU CAN FREELY GO where you wish.
2. If many of us in the community are fools, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?
3. If many of the community are “anti-Semites”, WHY ARE THEY STILL HERE?
4. If many in the community WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER WAY, from the ones you propose, WHY ARE THEY STILL HERE?
There is still time! If the CHAIN IS IN DANGER, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE. You can sell all your coins and buy others. AND GO TO A PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL SAFE. Right? 
Otherwise, the whole community should reflect on the following: 
WHAT IS THE REASON TO STAY IN A PLACE WHERE IT IS SO DANGEROUS AND WHERE PEOPLE CHOOSE ANOTHER WAY OR SUCH A WRONG WAY?
Final reflection.
This proposal, like so many others by the same author and team, aims at greater chain centrality. And they need to undermine the validators who have helped to get the chain on its feet and who are doing things right. Therefore, they deceive and use social manipulation methodologies to achieve their ends. Since by themselves, by their own effort and merit, they cannot do it. I leave you a link where I expose this type of manipulation techniques. And each thing that is said in the 12 points can be checked in each of the answers and comments of Rabbi and his team.
Rabbi, Sow well, remember that. Have a good life, you and your team.
As I have said before. The truth will always push to come to light.
Namaste
12 TACTICS TO MANIPULATE OTHERS
Unfortunately, great manipulators have always existed throughout history. But also now. They are many and they are everywhere
Manipulators are covert aggressors who use their influence over others to get rich, get promoted, enjoy benefits or avoid a job. They all have one thing in common: they are experts in camouflage, seduction and deception.
1- In general, all great manipulators have become experts in the art of seduction. They have learned that a quick and effective way to gain power over others is to feign interest in their needs and desires. So that’s what they do.
2- Something that undoubtedly characterizes these people is their great oratory skills. The experts in tricksters develop these abilities to the maximum. And they culminate their art by getting their victims to give in to their desires, convincing them of the powerful reasons that justify their actions, and that they do not want to take advantage of them, even if they are harmed. In their technique they always tend to allude to reasons of solidarity, the common good or the need for justice, but they tend to omit that they are the ones who benefit.
3- They handle the role of victim to perfection. They know that it is a very effective tool to make others give in. In the trickster’s discourse, allusions aimed at giving pity are frequent.
4- They often offer to represent the interests of the group. Thus, behind the appearance of working for the good of others, many hide selfish purposes and desire for power. They often ask for support for a position or offer to speak on our behalf with the bosses. Beware of those who offer to save us. Their ends may not be so noble. They almost always ask for something in return: votes, money, some work. Politicians, cult leaders, tele-preachers, visionaries. They all employ similar tactics; but we do not learn.
5- Undoubtedly, another of the qualities that professional manipulators develop the most is their extraordinary ability to make others feel guilty. They know that guilt provokes submission. Especially in those with more awareness and sensitivity towards others. That is why they usually choose them as victims; they are more vulnerable. To trick them, it will be enough to suggest that they are necessary to avoid harm and they will say things like: “If I don’t finish the job, they will throw me out”. They will quickly feel bad and offer to help. By blaming their victims, they will cover up their true intentions: to make a profit for themselves.
6- They employ covert intimidation tactics. It has been found that the language of these people is often riddled with indirect, implied or subtle threats.
7- Other times they employ subtle sarcasm to generate doubt. Provoking lack of confidence is an effective way of gaining dominance over others.
8- It is common to disarm the victim by convincing him/her to be underestimated by others. It makes him feel helpless. It will then be easy to convince him to delegate everything to the trickster.
9- Blaming others is also one of the most used techniques by this type of undercover aggressors. They are experts in finding scapegoats. Sometimes they do it subtly. Other times in the clear. Politics offers us every day a new lesson on how to use this tool effectively.
10- Sometimes they are suspected or their actions are reproached. Then it is common for them to “play dumb” to justify not paying attention to the needs and feelings of others.
11- If they are openly incriminated, they will demonstrate that they are experts at changing the subject and dodging compromising questions. To detect a trickster we must keep this in mind.
12- Finally, as expected, it has been shown that they are very prone to lie and almost always by omission. They do not usually make up stories but distort crucial aspects of the truth or simply forget them. They are recognized because they tend to give many turns when answering and use the non-verbal language of those who hide something, especially in the face of direct questions.
Those people who have real inner work and self-awareness will never be influenced by such tricks. They will only show it. And nothing else.
Currently, you are in stage 10, 11 and 12.
The truth always pushes to come out in the light of the facts!!!
Sow the good and you will reap the good. Remember that.
Namaste!!!
Just voted NO on the 10% VP cap proposal 11323 with my JESUSisLORD validator. It is an unnecessary restriction and the current 20% VP cap is sufficient.
I actually haven’t been talking much cause I was sorta observing the interaction between community members and trying to understand the number of crony accounts that exist here, on Twitter and probably all over the place, in the entire LUNC community. Rabbi’s posts are getting flagged all the time while equally disturbing comments by other members are not getting flagged. This leads me to believe that Agora is being controlled by vested parties or the discussion is being manipulated by rogue elements in the LUNC community. In such a scenario, putting forward any idea for discussion is a risk in itself, apart from the chain itself being in risk currently. It’s quite obvious many community members are trying to stop or block discussions on certain topics which might be inconvenient to them. This has now become a wrestling match rather than constructive development. I am highly disappointed, to the point that I haven’t released my proposal yet looking at the situation. The fact is LUNC will never cross 0.0002 cause the community will not let that happen. No one invests in a chain completely divided by opinions and personal misgivings.
Big Big “NO” !
an offer based on assumptions only. no with veto.
Dear community. It’s been a long time.
I just posted this comment in another proposal from the same author…
https://classic-agora.terra.money/t/network-security-proposal-tombstone-allnodes-compromised-lunc-validators-that-refuse-to-remake-their-validators-validator-wallets/50045/55?u=alepha
But, what I comment, is valid for this proposal as well.
In fact, Rabbi seems to have agreed with it.
This is what I wrote
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Rabbi, how are you! It’s been a long time . It seems you have been very busy with your shenanigans.
I have told you many times my dear Rabbi, You will reap Your Sowing. The Truth will push to come to the Light.
And this is what is happening. The people who have wanted to deceive the community, and all those who have supported such proposals, are reaping their own sowing. I warned you to go on the right path and to try to sow the good. Otherwise, it would affect you.
Time is scarce… and it is necessary to dedicate it to things that are really important for the community… But I will mention just a few points:
No one can force people to choose their representatives (the validators in this case). If a validator is really doing well, people will want to support him and give them their coins. On the other hand, if the validator is not doing well, people will delegate their coins to another validator.
The security mentioned here as “catastrophic” is not. For the same reason as above. If other minor validators “trust” the infrastructure of another major validator, it is because this validator will have done things right for this to happen. Otherwise, they can each create their own node somewhere else and that’s it. They make a new one, explain what happened to the community that supports it, and they remove the one they have with the AllNodes infrastructure. Simple.
But you and your team want something else. To grow not by merit, but by force and deceit. This is not very consistent with people who claim to follow the designs of God. Isn’t it?
I leave these links of your recent past of other proposals. Where you can clearly see the deceptions, falsehoods, attacks and manipulations towards the community (with a lot of evidence). And here the same is done. Whoever wants to educate himself… Go ahead!
It seems that the version (v4) of Rabbi and his team’s proposal has been deleted. There I had described 13 points in summary of all Rabbi’s shenanigans. Luckily I was able to rescue an important point from that analysis where he exposes the lie and planned deception.
And reXx continues later… but watch carefully what Rabbi says.
reXx™ - Today at 2:04 AM.
That’s up to the community and ultimately the community’s responsibility to obtain those funds. Terra Rebels should not be involved at all, this includes being a multisig key holder as it is a conflict of interest.
Rabbi Jebediah Shekelstein - Today at 2:10 AM
***No proposal nominating non-TR members as potential multisig holders will pass. Ever.***No one in the community trusts Bob Random and Jane Doe to handle $2M+ in the community’s name. It’s just not gonna happen. People even complain about TR handling those funds , let alone some other folks who no one knows about (even if they’re doxxed).
That is, Rabbi, and its support team, are proposing the TR people in his proposal (despite their constant rejection) because otherwise, no one would read it. And therefore, it would NOT be approved.
What is intends then, is to appear to support TR (in the present proposal) knowing in advance that they cannot accept such funds. But they continue to do so in order to get the proposal approved and thus get the funds from the community outside of Cadena.
It is clear then, the objective that this type of proposal without details and with multiple inconsistencies pursues. To get the funds regardless of the means used to do so. Wouldn’t this be a real deception towards the community?
Finally, I give you some food for thought and a path.
Rabbi and team:
1. Remember, you ARE FREE, no one is holding you back. YOU CAN FREELY GO where you wish.
2. If many of us in the community are fools, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?
3. If many of the community are “anti-Semites”, WHY ARE THEY STILL HERE?
4. If many in the community WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER WAY, from the ones you propose, WHY ARE THEY STILL HERE?
There is still time! If the CHAIN IS IN DANGER, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE. You can sell all your coins and buy others. AND GO TO A PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL SAFE. Right?
Otherwise, the whole community should reflect on the following:
WHAT IS THE REASON TO STAY IN A PLACE WHERE IT IS SO DANGEROUS AND WHERE PEOPLE CHOOSE ANOTHER WAY OR SUCH A WRONG WAY?
Final reflection.
This proposal, like so many others by the same author and team, aims at greater chain centrality. And they need to undermine the validators who have helped to get the chain on its feet and who are doing things right. Therefore, they deceive and use social manipulation methodologies to achieve their ends. Since by themselves, by their own effort and merit, they cannot do it. I leave you a link where I expose this type of manipulation techniques. And each thing that is said in the 12 points can be checked in each of the answers and comments of Rabbi and his team.
Rabbi, Sow well, remember that. Have a good life, you and your team.
As I have said before. The truth will always push to come to light.
Namaste
12 TACTICS TO MANIPULATE OTHERS
Unfortunately, great manipulators have always existed throughout history. But also now. They are many and they are everywhere
Manipulators are covert aggressors who use their influence over others to get rich, get promoted, enjoy benefits or avoid a job. They all have one thing in common: they are experts in camouflage, seduction and deception.
1- In general, all great manipulators have become experts in the art of seduction. They have learned that a quick and effective way to gain power over others is to feign interest in their needs and desires. So that’s what they do.
2- Something that undoubtedly characterizes these people is their great oratory skills. The experts in tricksters develop these abilities to the maximum. And they culminate their art by getting their victims to give in to their desires, convincing them of the powerful reasons that justify their actions, and that they do not want to take advantage of them, even if they are harmed. In their technique they always tend to allude to reasons of solidarity, the common good or the need for justice, but they tend to omit that they are the ones who benefit.
3- They handle the role of victim to perfection. They know that it is a very effective tool to make others give in. In the trickster’s discourse, allusions aimed at giving pity are frequent.
4- They often offer to represent the interests of the group. Thus, behind the appearance of working for the good of others, many hide selfish purposes and desire for power. They often ask for support for a position or offer to speak on our behalf with the bosses. Beware of those who offer to save us. Their ends may not be so noble. They almost always ask for something in return: votes, money, some work. Politicians, cult leaders, tele-preachers, visionaries. They all employ similar tactics; but we do not learn.
5- Undoubtedly, another of the qualities that professional manipulators develop the most is their extraordinary ability to make others feel guilty. They know that guilt provokes submission. Especially in those with more awareness and sensitivity towards others. That is why they usually choose them as victims; they are more vulnerable. To trick them, it will be enough to suggest that they are necessary to avoid harm and they will say things like: “If I don’t finish the job, they will throw me out”. They will quickly feel bad and offer to help. By blaming their victims, they will cover up their true intentions: to make a profit for themselves.
6- They employ covert intimidation tactics. It has been found that the language of these people is often riddled with indirect, implied or subtle threats.
7- Other times they employ subtle sarcasm to generate doubt. Provoking lack of confidence is an effective way of gaining dominance over others.
8- It is common to disarm the victim by convincing him/her to be underestimated by others. It makes him feel helpless. It will then be easy to convince him to delegate everything to the trickster.
9- Blaming others is also one of the most used techniques by this type of undercover aggressors. They are experts in finding scapegoats. Sometimes they do it subtly. Other times in the clear. Politics offers us every day a new lesson on how to use this tool effectively.
10- Sometimes they are suspected or their actions are reproached. Then it is common for them to “play dumb” to justify not paying attention to the needs and feelings of others.
11- If they are openly incriminated, they will demonstrate that they are experts at changing the subject and dodging compromising questions. To detect a trickster we must keep this in mind.
12- Finally, as expected, it has been shown that they are very prone to lie and almost always by omission. They do not usually make up stories but distort crucial aspects of the truth or simply forget them. They are recognized because they tend to give many turns when answering and use the non-verbal language of those who hide something, especially in the face of direct questions.
Those people who have real inner work and self-awareness will never be influenced by such tricks. They will only show it. And nothing else.
Currently, you are in stage 10, 11 and 12.
The truth always pushes to come out in the light of the facts!!!
Sow the good and you will reap the good. Remember that.
Namaste!!!
I don’t understand why the community is taking this little guy seriously, if they are taking it seriously. this little man has serious problems (@RabbiJebediah)
Sometimes small players can do a lot of damage to people with no financial or technical knowledge or very believers.
It is better to inform the community about this kind of actions. So that they are aware of the manipulations and can not be easily deceived.
Because if this kind of actions prosper, the whole community will be affected.
And that is what they are looking for. To destroy in order to be the salvation. Basic course that many manipulators do.
Greetings.
Namaste
Good news 
The Terra team has restored my post that had been marked as spam by Rabbi and his team, so that my comment will be ignored and hidden, in plain sight of the community.
They tried to
Truth always pushes for go out into the Light
Many thanks to the Terra moderators.
No,No,No,No,No With VETO !Its necessary to keep your own choice to select appropriate commission !
I see the hate squad was out in full force the other day while I was absent.
@AlephA @JESUSisLORD @Nanook994 @tarikmandal @VinS
Sorry boys, you’re too late - the 5% MCF prop is about to pass.
Better luck next time! 
Shalom!
listen little man. You are not a child I care enough to be hated. It’s not an achievement, but you can be the mascot of the community. What’s a shalom, how old are you? 
Unfortunately, it will go through, but I think many delegators will penalize the validators who voted for “yes”. I will leave my current validator and join one that voted “no” and offers a 5% commission after the new proposal.
In the end, this is an interference in free market economics and competition will be damaged. Even states don’t prescribe a minimum price for a service that a provider must charge, LUNC calls itself decentralized but interferes with the free pricing. This is unacceptable.
this way the bids increase and in case the chain is damaged. I will leave the community and sell all the tokens. I will explain to the Turkish community that they need to make statements about the issue, sell it and get away from this chain. I can recommend the @Luncdevelopmentfund validator.
