Terra Rebels Infrastructure Operations and Maintenance v2

Governance & Proposals
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@EZMehrtenz
I would agree with you that if you buy a tangible item (same make/model) for $50 and later find it for $20 elsewhere, yeah you probably got overcharged, however this is not a tangible item, this was for service work, and with service work the price can vary depending on the quality of work being done and skillset of the person(s) doing the work, many people can say “I can do it cheaper and better”, but many won’t when you tell them to actually do it, you get what you pay for in service work.

As for your counter proposal, please actually go look what someone that has to manage Kubernetes makes, your figures are not even close, also keep in mind that we 3 all are in diff time zones

@alego
developers most certainly do work 8 hours a day, actually more, and managed services are monitored by staff around the clock, please go read up more on managed services.

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Weekends are worked by skeleton crews.
They could alternate taking one weekend each.
90 days without a day off is complete and utter bullshit & I (may be wrong) but I am pretty sure ILLEGAL.

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So what you are saying is that you MUST make X amount of $s not because the “service” you are providing is worth it or the exorbitant number of hours are necessary, but just because you MUST make X amount of $s. You are literally describing yourself as a GRIFTER with your very own words.

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I specifically divided the working times in that way so that it would cover the entirety of the 24hr period, specifically because you are all in different time zones. That’s a total of 9hrs (per 24hrs) of monitoring. That’s more than plenty.

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I want to start by saying that I apologize for any confusion or misunderstandings that may have occurred during our discussions. However, I’m having difficulty understanding your perspective on the matter, particularly in light of my previous negative experience with a similar situation. It’s also important to note that other members of the LUNC community have expressed similar concerns to mine in the past, which I suggest you yet need to address with both words and actions.

Furthermore, your recent statement, “As for your counter-proposal, please actually go look what someone that has to manage Kubernetes makes, your figures are not even close, also keep in mind that we 3 all are in diff time zones” has caught my attention. Your initial request for an hourly salary to cover three individuals working eight hours a day, every day, for three months with no days off for either of your team members is difficult to believe, given the usual working conditions. When I raised my concerns, you indicated that EZMehrtenz’s counter-proposal was economically insufficient. This contradiction is confusing and concerning to me.

I strongly suggest that you revise the job terms, whether by hourly or project-based rates, in a manner that makes sense for all parties involved. As it stands, it seems that some members of the community may be left out or unable to support the proposed terms. Thank you for taking the time to listen to my concerns.

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To provide proper 24/7 support it requires we each work 8hrs (8+8+8=24), this is monitoring and maintenance of a infrastructure that does not sleep, this is not a 9 to 5 business that closes up at the end of the day, you can’t have gaps, what happens if a node goes offline, or starts to miss blocks, or a hardware issue happens?

So with the above stated, understand that the wage amount we picked is more then fair for what we are providing, this requires a skillset beyond knowing how to use a Windows 10 box, you need to know basic Linux commands, know how to do bash scripting, need to know how to use kubectl, then on top of that you need to know how to properly troubleshoot and diag a Kubernetes cluster all from console remotely, there is no fancy GUI for you to play with and click buttons, this is a containerized scalable cluster thats backed by a scalable storage cluster, using enterprise-grade datacenter switches at its core (that again require someone to know how to work through console commands).

Stop trying to make this into something its not, there is no “ah ha, gotcha” moment here, we offer a very competitive price, you haven’t even provided any factual information to backup your prices, you just threw a number out there, I asked you and I’ll ask again, go check what the average wage is for someone to manage a Kubernetes cluster or how much a network engineer is paid on average, then come back here and we can have a better discussion, and to get you started, see the below, thanks!

Kubernetes Engineer Salary in USA - Average Salary (talent.com)

Network Engineer Salary in USA - Average Salary (talent.com)

DevOps Engineer Salary in USA - Average Salary (talent.com)

@alego I already stated that I am at my PC 8hrs a day, everyday, its fairly evident I am with how much I have to keep responding back on twitter and agora, so no this is not a crazy ask and its an ask that we as a team agreed to and one that is required to properly manage a infrastructure.

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I appreciate our conversation here, eche10n. Have a great day/evening!

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Likewise, I look forward to further conversating with you, enjoy the rest of your day/evening as well!

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Hello eche10n,

I have noticed that TR’s proposal was posted on Agora and then immediately put up for a vote in governance. While there may not be any formal restrictions on the timing of proposals, it is common practice to allow for a period of community discussion before putting them up for a vote. This is particularly important when the proposal is submitted by developers and may have a significant impact on the community.

I would appreciate it if you could explain the reason for the rushed timeline and why the proposal was not given the opportunity for community feedback before being put up for a vote.

Thank you for your time.

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@alego this is v2 of the first prop that did not pass, nothing has changed other then we ran a stress-test per Allnodes request.

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Thank you!

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but the money returned was given back to the TR wallet, not the CP.

If it was indeed returned to the CP then could you link those transactions so we can see them?

Because from what I’ve been hearing, the “returned” money never made it back to the CP.

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I am not sure all who returned and who did not. Ragepiee built a script to send it back, so anyone could have used his script after he developed it. Of those I am aware of:

My point though, minus that it was less then $150K due to some giving their portion back, was that TR had acknowledged ahead of time that it was switching to a paid business model (and would be using any money received for its business operations), decided to pay those that had been working for months (both active and those that had been doing work but would now be considered inactive [or really non-paid going forward, since there were still active as volunteers]), that were still part of TR, and were burning out, in order to honor the work they had been doing and to help setup in a way that would allow TR to continue to operate so it could continue to support the community, and that the total amount of what was given in a grant to TR in proposal 11030 to:

if that proposal’s amount was taken and added to this proposal, is a drop in the bucket to what TFL was paying monthly for L2 public infrastructure for Terra v1. Those are my personal observations.

Did I agree with everything TR did, no (but I could also say that about certain decisions I have made personally too). Did I have a problem personally with them paying people to work, or for previous work, no (even if we all joined knowing that we were doing it as volunteers to help, yet with regard to TR with the understanding that eventually TR would need to take on a business model to continue long term - including paying people). And, no I have not received anything (I had left TR by that time, and really my own personal motivations, as a follower of Jesus, was to help people). I did however receive in exchange the continual ask that delegators protect governance as outlined in the documentation, and here, and the implied promise made in the whitepaper regarding governance).

The work from proposal 11030 has now been completed, and this proposal is to now put that work into action by providing the needed L2 infrastructure along with PublicNodes (AllNodes and TCV) to provide independent endpoints for failover, as well as an archive node (as well as a stable wallet and finder).

I hope that helps a little bit :slight_smile:

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Transaction logs, please.

All you’re showing me is “Trust me bro!”

If you can’t provide tx logs, then don’t claim with certainty the money has been returned.

As far as I’m concerned the entirety of that $150,000 is still in TR’s hands, given no one’s bothered to provide the tx logs. @echel0n feel free to prove me wrong and paste transactions here showing some of that “returned” money going back to the community pool, I’ll be glad to admit I’m incorrect.

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You can see the two links for Venus and Ragepiee, they have transaction log links (not that they had to give them, or give it back, but since they did, and since you asked, you can follow it there).

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What about Rexx and Kraucks? They apparently gave back portions (or all) of their money.

Again, don’t claim returns if you can’t prove it with 100% certainty via tx logs.

Also I’d like to see how much of that overall $150,000 budget was actually refunded to the CP via member returns, @echel0n.

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I am not sure what about Venus’ and Ragepiee’s transactions logs are not proof (again not that they had to give them, or give it back, but since they did, and since you asked, you can follow it there)…

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There’s still more money missing. More of ex-TR returned it, but no one’s providing tx logs for all the LUNC supposedly sent back to the CP. Either provide all of it, or stop spreading the false narrative that XYZ money was returned. Again, as far as any of us here is concerned, $150,000 was paid out to TR and they kept all of it… if anyone wants to claim otherwise they should formulate a detailed post with tx logs of all the money returned, and the total remaineder which stayed with TR.

This includes you, A.E., since you love to frame narratives by using half-truths and incomplete info.

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~$150K - 2 people who provided transaction logs back to the community pool = less than ~$150K (that is what I said - I am not sure what rabbit trail you are on about).

Ok, returning this thread to its actual topic now…

I hope you are having a great day today :slight_smile:

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Either provide the full breakdown, or stop bringing up the point in an attempt to fluff up this prop.

No. You brought this up, and I’ll keep hammering at it until the point is either fully dropped (rescind/delete your post above), or you provide a satisfactory answer. Fact is, Terra Rebels got $150,000 from the community, in addition to some $100,000 from Neblio over many months - they should have more than enough money to cover basic operational costs for at least half a year. I didn’t bring these points up earlier because I believe people need to do their own research and make up their own minds… but you tried fluffing up their prop by painting them in a positive light with these so-called reimbursements of the CP, so I’m gonna be on this like white on rice now.

I never do when I see one of your posts. You’re incredibly dishonest and manipulative.

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