Expanded L1 Task Force Spending Prop for Q2 2023 [v2]

The info is coming from here:

He literally said it himself. $5,000 per month and 5 hours in a month is $1,000 per month by simple maths. He didn’t even say he’ll give 5 hours. I am still considering 5 hours. This is Miami life.

And this is what Rabbi isn’t answering and running away from.

One out of the two other devs have replied. I still do NOT see how they are COSMOS BLOCKCHAIN devs IF in the FIRST REPLY you did not reveal that you are one. Coming back here after consulting with Rabbi isn’t a very intelligent thing to do according to me if they do that. Being honest would be much better.

That’s a fair explanation for having expert code reviews. Thank you @Bilbo.

Thank you @notjoshc and @mangochutney for also introducing yourselves and giving us a bit of your backgrounds.

For the last person, so far I believe we have not seen @chopstick.sensei post here yet? This would be appreciated.

The proposal is looking good so far.

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I think most people do not really care about micro managing the team.

To most investors, it doesn’t matter if someone takes 5 hours or 50 hours to complete the same list of tasks as per the proposal when the price is the same.

All most of us really care about is whether this list of new developers are able to complete the tasks, including but not limited to the promised ‘parity’.

If there’s another team that thinks they can compete with what is proposed here at a lower price (or same price but more undertaking of tasks), by all means. A healthy competition would only benefit us as investors.

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No it is not. And I had seen his explanation before just that I do not agree to this.

The L1 Task Force proposed has a horizontal hierarchy of positions which means that Z is equal to Jacob is equal to Bilbo.

If you propose this team with a vertical hierarchy of roles then you are also proposing that the person in top of that hierarchy IS the person with the highest responsibility in the team. If you are fine with that, then fine. All questions will only be asked to that person.

But that is not the responsibility that Jacob is taking up. That is the responsibility that Bilbo is taking up. Otherwise Jacob (like Z) has to act as the Lead Developer of the team and if he makes a mistake, he shall be held liable to it like we have held Z liable to his actions.

You can ask him and confirm that to us and only then can we consider his “salary” as being justified.

To answer this, I need to first define what is a SALARY by the Cambridge English definition of the word.

As you may note here, it means a FIXED SALARY PAID MONTHLY TO AN EMPLOYEE.

I do not need to explain what this means since I wasn’t the person who wrote this proposal. You may call up ask you English teacher from school what this means and please make the developers understand what this means, otherwise they do not understand the legal liabilities and the extent of accountability they are under when they sign up for this gig.

This would have been valid had this NOT been a SALARY that was mentioned for these devs. If they had mentioned it’s a contract with the community and they are contractual developers with a project budget, then this would have been a different discussion, but it is not so sadly.

We can wake them up in the middle of the night and they would have to be answerable to us since they are EMPLOYEES with a SALARY.

I hope I have explained myself well enough.

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It doesn’t matter what they call it. They can use the term ‘employee’ or ‘salary’ all they want, it doesn’t change the nature of what they actually are. They are independent contractors.

That is the legal implication of this proposal regardless of the inaccurate terminologies they are using. They are developers, not lawyers. I wouldn’t be too bothered about it.

As independent contractors, emphasis added, most of us don’t care how much time per day they spend on the contract as long as all the terms are fulfilled within the time frame as proposed.

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Cute.

I stand corrected.

At least someone.

You have explained it properly. I am just terrible at explaining.

You were not the only person who mentioned Zaradar as the lead developer (rather than Ironman) - to be fair (and to be fair, I suspect Zaradar did have a lot of influence on the team management, architecture design, and in project management since he was listed in these roles for the last two):

Others have also mentioned it as well.

I hope you have a great day today :slight_smile:

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There is just a time when you have to point out the obvious.

This proposal is riddled with information that I do not feel is correct. When I compare the list from Q1 with the list that was outlined in response, while there may be some points that others would like to find contention with, I can say that it is obvious that the L1 team as a whole did deliver 3 solid months of work. In general, I share the following thoughts as well here. Zaradar was not the Lead Developer (Ironman was), he dealt with team management from what I understand (which is different than project management).

I find it interesting that the Rabbi has said:

In regards to swap mechanism - regarding coding:

While there is nothing wrong with putting up a proposal that offers options to governance, or researching, and working toward code for the market module and swaps, it does make me feel that some of the less than charitable evaluation of the L1 team’s performance (that goes beyond the honest criticism and concerns that others may also feel) may also be premeditated and a little more than meet the eye. Just an observation.

Here is my observation as someone who has numerous years of experience in the information technology field, including project management and software development. I do not have anything against the developers that are listed (or their capabilities). Yet, minus @fragwuerdig and @nghuyenthevinh2000 (and Ironman as Technical Lead / Lead Developer), and Jacob (who has said he would review the code - which to be fair he is pretty much already doing - even if his reviews and contributions after stepping away from the L1 team may have received less consideration than they may otherwise have), the others that have listed their skillsets so far do not have the background in Tendermint and Cosmos-SDK (and some without Golang itself). They also do not self report the level of experience in each of those skillset areas.

To put this in perspective, if I were consulted to provide a path for upskill, I would tell the client that it would take at least 1 month of intense upskilling (intense meaning time wise). That means that at least for some of these, they will not hit the ground running, or even walking, but this will be an investment into their upskilling (even if, and where, they do still make contributions). That is fine as long as the community unstands this - I do not think from what has been presented so far that they would be able to accomplish the tasks outlined in Q2 proposal (unless @fragwuerdig , @nghuyenthevinh2000 and Ironman carried the majority of the load - if they are on this team). That does not mean that the skillset of these other developers may not be helpful in other areas of the team, such as team management, or CI/CD flow to a good degree, or other DevOps aspects, or the surrounding technology that is written in Javascript/Typescript, but in my estimation, what the community needs for developers to do the work outlined in the Q2 proposal are the following:

  • Golang,
  • Tendermint,
  • and Cosmos-SDK.

I would also expect that those developers can point to a repository, or repositories, that is/are public that lists a/some project(s), or at least a proof of concept project, that shows they possess these skills, and that if this team is given a grant that the developers develop with that account that listed their prior work or examples (at least for those who are identified as L1 senior developers related to direct L1 development).

Just some thoughts as the community looks to consider how, or who, will do development for L1.

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Do you know when the proposal will be released on station?

Hey everyone, I’m Chopstick Sensei! I’ve been in software dev for over 10 years, workied on a mix of projects including websites, mobile apps, and crypto platforms. My background includes freelance, startups, and I got into crypto in 2018. I’ve got experience with languages like Go, JavaScript, Python, Solidity, and more. I’m excited to be here and collaborate with you all on helping fix the chain! I first found LUNC after the crash, and have been holding and lurking since then! :diamond_shape_with_a_dot_inside: :fist:

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Now that both Ironman and Zaradar have left the L1TF, it is time for a new team to step in. We have that new team ready in this proposal.

The vote should be YES.

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No. Not at all.

All 4 developers that he has produced till now are NOT COSMOS BLOCKCHAIN developers.

This is NOT a placement training centre where you train students to upskill them for work.

Currently, ALL 4 devs that Rabbi has proposed are misleading and are not blockchain devs to be even considered for the job.

Jacob is NOT getting paid $1,000 per hour to do review work.

So 5/6 people are out.

If you wanna upload this proposal with 1 developer in the team, then be my guest :+1:t2:

P.S. Bilbo won’t even take up this responsibility ALONE.

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@chopstick.sensei

Thank you and mangochutney for chiming in and introducing yourselves !

@RabbiJebediah I’m sorry if this has already been asked, but do we have any news about Fragwuerdig and Vinh Nguyen ? :pray:

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Soon(ish). We wanted to give a bit of time to Frag & Vinh to decide if they’d like to join the team.

Apart from that, the remaining 6/8 are on board and ready to go! :+1: :muscle:

We’ve contacted them and they’re in the dev group with all the other people on the team list.

If Vinh and frag don;t join will you be looking for other developers to take their place.

Later on, perhaps. But there’s no point delaying L1 work just to add +2 to a 6-man stack.

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After reviewing the amended proposal presented by LBA this seems like a no-brainer to me. I’ll be voting yes on this.

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